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  • LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

    "Por favor sepan que los escritos de los llamados padres apostólicos y de la iglesia no son las Escritura y no deben ser usados como la palabra final o como un medio por el cual podemos aprender la interpretación correcta de las Escrituras como algunos protestantes equivocadamente están haciendo. ¡Estos llamados padres que escribieron después de que fue escrito el Nuevo Testamento contradecían a otros llamados padres y a veces aun a las Escrituras! Por lo tanto el cristiano esta cometiendo un error muy serio al considerar sus escritos la palabra final o verdad suplementaria para las Escrituras".

    DAN CORNER

    http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org

  • #2
    Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

    Tienes razon, pero ¿cuales son las contradicciones a la biblia de los padres apostolicos y las diferencias entre ellos?

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    • #3
      Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

      Originalmente publicado por Herald Ver Mensaje
      "Por favor sepan que los escritos de los llamados padres apostólicos y de la iglesia no son las Escritura y no deben ser usados como la palabra final o como un medio por el cual podemos aprender la interpretación correcta de las Escrituras como algunos protestantes equivocadamente están haciendo. ¡Estos llamados padres que escribieron después de que fue escrito el Nuevo Testamento contradecían a otros llamados padres y a veces aun a las Escrituras! Por lo tanto el cristiano esta cometiendo un error muy serio al considerar sus escritos la palabra final o verdad suplementaria para las Escrituras".

      DAN CORNER

      http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
      Apoyo 100% tu postura Herald
      " En todos los lugares de su señorío....Bendice, alma mía, a Jehová." Salmo 103:22b RV60

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      • #4
        Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

        Don aGUSTIN DE hPONA CREIA EN SALVO SIEMPRE SALVO Y OTROS NO Y ESTO CONTRADICE LA BIBLIA, ASI QUE TIENES RAZON

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        • #5
          Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

          el cristiano esta cometiendo un error muy serio al considerar sus escritos la palabra final
          Yo no considero "la palabra final" ninguna escritura, no soy tan ingenua, pero me interesa saber ¿Cual es la diferencia entre esos escritos de los padres apostolicos y padres de la iglesia respecto a escritos como Hebreos, cuarto evangelio y cartas de la comunidad del discípulo amado, 2Pedro, epistolas pseudopaulinas...? Esos mismos "padres" tenían discusiones y diferentes opiniones sobre las "listas de escrituras inspiradas", citaban como validas algunas que luego no encontrarían su camino para esta dentro del canón, y no aceptaban algunas que luego serían consideradas "canonicas". Y mira por donde lo que decidieron siglos mas tarde es lo que tu crees "la palabra final" ¿Me lo puedes exlicar?

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          • #6
            Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

            Originalmente publicado por Herald Ver Mensaje
            "Por favor sepan que los escritos de los llamados padres apostólicos y de la iglesia no son las Escritura y no deben ser usados como la palabra final o como un medio por el cual podemos aprender la interpretación correcta de las Escrituras como algunos protestantes equivocadamente están haciendo. ¡Estos llamados padres que escribieron después de que fue escrito el Nuevo Testamento contradecían a otros llamados padres y a veces aun a las Escrituras! Por lo tanto el cristiano esta cometiendo un error muy serio al considerar sus escritos la palabra final o verdad suplementaria para las Escrituras".

            DAN CORNER

            http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org

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            <o:p> </o:p>
            La iglesia de hoy tiene dos mil años más de revelación que la iglesia de los primeros años, que andaban dando tumbos entre el judaísmo y las enseñanzas elementales del cristianismo. <o:p></o:p>
            En defensa y confirmación del evangelio

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              Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

              Originalmente publicado por Herald Ver Mensaje
              "Por favor sepan que los escritos de los llamados padres apostólicos y de la iglesia no son las Escritura y no deben ser usados como la palabra final o como un medio por el cual podemos aprender la interpretación correcta de las Escrituras como algunos protestantes equivocadamente están haciendo. ¡Estos llamados padres que escribieron después de que fue escrito el Nuevo Testamento contradecían a otros llamados padres y a veces aun a las Escrituras! Por lo tanto el cristiano esta cometiendo un error muy serio al considerar sus escritos la palabra final o verdad suplementaria para las Escrituras".

              DAN CORNER

              http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
              Ese Dan Corner apesta. ¿Ahora resulta que sabe mas El que los discipulos directos de los Apostoles? Lo que se lee ultimamente por aqui. Seguramente el cristianismo nacio el dia que abrio la Biblia, y no cuenta para el, los 2000 años de historia cristiana.

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              • #8
                Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

                Originalmente publicado por Kal_El Ver Mensaje
                Ese Dan Corner apesta. ¿Ahora resulta que sabe mas El que los discipulos directos de los Apostoles? Lo que se lee ultimamente por aqui. Seguramente el cristianismo nacio el dia que abrio la Biblia, y no cuenta para el, los 2000 años de historia cristiana.
                ¿Y donde dice en la Biblia que hace falta la historia cristiana para poder hacer y conocer su voluntad?
                Pero la Biblia si dice "Tu palabra es lampara y lumbrera a mi camino"

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                • #9
                  Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

                  Originalmente publicado por Kal_El Ver Mensaje
                  Ese Dan Corner apesta. ¿Ahora resulta que sabe mas El que los discipulos directos de los Apostoles? Lo que se lee ultimamente por aqui. Seguramente el cristianismo nacio el dia que abrio la Biblia, y no cuenta para el, los 2000 años de historia cristiana.
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                  En defensa y confirmación del evangelio

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                  • #10
                    Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

                    Originalmente publicado por Kal_El Ver Mensaje
                    Ese Dan Corner apesta. ¿Ahora resulta que sabe mas El que los discipulos directos de los Apostoles? Lo que se lee ultimamente por aqui. Seguramente el cristianismo nacio el dia que abrio la Biblia, y no cuenta para el, los 2000 años de historia cristiana.
                    <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CWindows%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C12%5Cclip_filelis t.xml"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"></o:smarttagtype><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:HyphenationZone>21</w:HyphenationZone> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:595.3pt 841.9pt; margin:70.85pt 3.0cm 70.85pt 3.0cm; mso-header-margin:35.45pt; mso-footer-margin:35.45pt; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Tabla normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> Kal El
                    <o:p> </o:p>
                    Brutalmente honesto pero flojito con la lengua .
                    <o:p> </o:p>
                    <o:p>**************
                    </o:p>
                    <o:p> </o:p>
                    Mi canon termina con el último libro de <st1:personname productid="la Biblia" w:st="on">la Biblia</st1:personname> , el Apocalipsis , y <st1:personname productid="la Biblia" w:st="on">la Biblia</st1:personname> es el único libro dado a los hombres por el Reino de Dios y esto lo se por revelación del Espíritu Santo .
                    Mis bendiciones.

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                    • #11
                      Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

                      Originalmente publicado por Herald Ver Mensaje
                      ¿Y donde dice en la Biblia que hace falta la historia cristiana para poder hacer y conocer su voluntad?
                      Pero la Biblia si dice "Tu palabra es lampara y lumbrera a mi camino"
                      Buena pregunta, cuya respuesta si viene en la Biblia, ¿No me crees? Bueno, creele a san Pablo:
                      Os alabo porque en todas las cosas os acordáis de mí y conserváis las tradiciones tal como os las he transmitido.
                      1 Corintios 11,2

                      “Así pues, hermanos, manteneos firmes y conservad las tradiciones que habéis aprendido de nosotros, de viva voz o por carta.”
                      2 Tesalonicenses 2,15

                      “Hermanos, os mandamos en nombre del Señor Jesucristo que os apartéis de todo hermano que viva desordenadamente y no según la tradición que de nosotros recibisteis
                      2 Tesalonicenses 3,6

                      La Sana doctrina es la Biblia ciertamente, pero tambien es la Tradicion Apostolica, la misma Biblia lo enseña, y la misma Biblia enseña, cual es la Autoridad Final, y es la Iglesia:
                      pero si tardo, para que sepas cómo hay que portarse en la casa de Dios, que es la Iglesia de Dios vivo, columna y fundamento de la verdad.
                      1 Timoteo 3,15

                      De la Biblia a la Iglesia, la misma Biblia (como la Tradicion Apostolica) afirman que es la Iglesia.

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                      • #12
                        Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

                        Originalmente publicado por Leal Ver Mensaje
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> ¿Y que sabian los discipulos directos de Jesus de Nazaret?
                        La predicacion ORAL de los Apostoles.

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                        • #13
                          Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

                          Originalmente publicado por Kal_El Ver Mensaje
                          La predicacion ORAL de los Apostoles.
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                            Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

                            Originalmente publicado por Leal Ver Mensaje
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> ¿Y cuál es esa predicación oral?
                            Aquella que no esta en la Escritura.

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                            • #15
                              Re: LOS LLAMADOS PADRES APOSTOLICOS Y DE LA IGLESIA

                              Originalmente publicado por Herald Ver Mensaje
                              "Por favor sepan que los escritos de los llamados padres apostólicos y de la iglesia no son las Escritura y no deben ser usados como la palabra final o como un medio por el cual podemos aprender la interpretación correcta de las Escrituras como algunos protestantes equivocadamente están haciendo. ¡Estos llamados padres que escribieron después de que fue escrito el Nuevo Testamento contradecían a otros llamados padres y a veces aun a las Escrituras! Por lo tanto el cristiano esta cometiendo un error muy serio al considerar sus escritos la palabra final o verdad suplementaria para las Escrituras".

                              DAN CORNER

                              http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org
                              Claro!!!! es lo más claro que hay que hacer para NO poder somerterse a la enseñanza que cristo dejó, ¡No busques un evangelio cómodo! que este evengelio NO predicó Cristo. Muy bien dice la palabra de Dios:

                              1Ti 4:1 El Espíritu nos dice claramente que en los últimos tiempos algunos renegarán de la fe para seguir espíritus seductores y doctrinas diabólicas.
                              1Ti 4:2 Aparecerán hombres mentirosos con la conciencia marcada con la señal de los infames.


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